Scryptcloud owes you:
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I agree with you Kevlar that the best thing is of course refunds for everyone and working it out as a community…
However, it has to be apparent to Shane that if a single payment date is missed, legal/criminal action will proceed. One thing that has been shown to everyone here is that Shane can not be trusted in anyway what so ever! It’s more then possible he is taking advantage of the good nature of the community once again to stall and try and get away with it.
If any agreement is made there must be consequences for failure of Shane to deliver his end of the bargain, It only worsens what is already despicable behavior from Shane if he fails to deliver on any more promises made herein.
I will still proceed with the appointment with the solicitor as i believe its in everyone’s best interest that invested in scryptcloud.com - if anyone who invested disagrees with that then please let me know.
I have no problems in anyway covering the legal costs for this initial advice as we should all be very cautious of any further dealings with Shane. At the moment i am very confident this is a criminal matter but need to understand how that would be affected if we entered into a voluntary agreement with him. Criminal proceedings should never be removed from the table until this matter is resolved. I also think that any refund proposal or agreement made with Shane should be backed up with legally binding paperwork that he himself signs. That being said, Shane should provide you with the contact details for his solicitor for that paperwork to be forwarded to when the time arrives.
I personally am not prepared to enter into any kind of agreement with Shane purely based on his word alone. I feel confident that no-one else will want to do that either. Again if i am wrong, please let me know
I will speak with my solicitor on Monday and PM you her email/contact details for you to forward the information to.
This situation is far from over, but at least things seem to be moving in the right direction for the time being
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[quote name=“mhamilton79” post=“55077” timestamp=“1390690090”]
I agree with you Kevlar that the best thing is of course refunds for everyone and working it out as a community…However, it has to be apparent to Shane that if a single payment date is missed, legal/criminal action will proceed. One thing that has been shown to everyone here is that Shane can not be trusted in anyway what so ever! It’s more then possible he is taking advantage of the good nature of the community once again to stall and try and get away with it.
If any agreement is made there must be consequences for failure of Shane to deliver his end of the bargain, It only worsens what is already despicable behavior from Shane if he fails to deliver on any more promises made herein.
I will still proceed with the appointment with the solicitor as i believe its in everyone’s best interest that invested in scryptcloud.com - if anyone who invested disagrees with that then please let me know.
I have no problems in anyway covering the legal costs for this initial advice as we should all be very cautious of any further dealings with Shane. At the moment i am very confident this is a criminal matter but need to understand how that would be affected if we entered into a voluntary agreement with him. Criminal proceedings should never be removed from the table until this matter is resolved. I also think that any refund proposal or agreement made with Shane should be backed up with legally binding paperwork that he himself signs. That being said, Shane should provide you with the contact details for his solicitor for that paperwork to be forwarded to when the time arrives.
I personally am not prepared to enter into any kind of agreement with Shane purely based on his word alone. I feel confident that no-one else will want to do that either. Again if i am wrong, please let me know
I will speak with my solicitor on Monday and PM you her email/contact details for you to forward the information to.
This situation is far from over, but at least things seem to be moving in the right direction for the time being
[/quote]I understand. :)
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Well I’ve got some unfortunate news.
First of all the 8.885 BTC appears to have been unrelated, and tied to YET ANOTHER scam. At least according to FTClover. I’m still investigating.
The really unfortunate news is that FTClover has officially taken the money and run. He refunded one person 120 euros, but beyond that, I don’t expect to hear anything from him. So the refund worksheet is a little less important now, and getting the dox together takes the priority. I’ll be completing it this weekend.
He has admitted several things to me which might be of some interest:
#1: He never ordered any hardware at all. Ever.
#2: He used the money to pay off bank debt, so there’s a paper trail.I’ll be putting these details into my official report.
You have on your hands the potential for a class-action lawsuit for international wire fraud and theft. I’ve done my best to avoid that possibility, but at this point it seems inevitable.
For everyone who was taken by this, I’m very sorry. I hope you’ll continue to pursue legal recourse, and you won’t let this impact your opinion of the rest of the community, or the technology that is Feathercoin.
More from me tomorrow. :(
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Such a pity, I just read your chat log with him in the other thread and its amazing just how badly informed he is.
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So now is it time for pitch forks? ;)
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[quote name=“finalbillybong” post=“55150” timestamp=“1390725495”]
So now is it time for pitch forks? ;)
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[quote name=“finalbillybong” post=“55150” timestamp=“1390725495”]
So now is it time for pitch forks? ;)
[/quote]No, now is the time to organize. You’re stronger together than you are apart. Start a movement, and others will follow.
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+1 to Kevlar for all his efforts on this. Beer and Pizza sent to you my friend
UM
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hello all,
following the latest development regarding Scriptcloud project its seems that FTClover run away and his not willing to pay us back, so it is time to get together and find legal action and bring him to justice, little personal vendetta will not lead to anything even though i would love to (i am Corsican …hot tempered) so let use this link to share our informations and progress but i think we should not publish sensitive or private materials lets use pm because i am sure that ftclover will follow up on this one…and we don’t want to tip-him off on the progress.
let me know what you think
thanks
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[quote name=“FTClover” post=“54956” timestamp=“1390661337”]
I will eventually have everyone paid back, and I am waiting for kevlar to come online on skype so we can chat :) This will be resolved! :)
[/quote]FTCLover, I am extremely concerned about your mental health, please go to a doctor or hospital urgently
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[quote name=“Kevlar” post=“55152” timestamp=“1390726378”]
[quote author=finalbillybong link=topic=7176.msg55150#msg55150 date=1390725495]
So now is it time for pitch forks? ;)
[/quote]No, now is the time to organize. You’re stronger together than you are apart. Start a movement, and others will follow.
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The appointment with my solicitor stands. This gives Kevlar a few more days to sort out all the information needed.
Once we have the actual legal advice, we can make a decision how to proceed from there.
Any information that anyone has should be Pm’d to Kevlar as soon as possible. All information will be included in the file sent to my solicitor.
There is really nothing else to say at this point, I guess once the legal advice has happened Kevlar can make an official announcement or something??
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Bump.
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[quote name=“Calem” post=“55376” timestamp=“1390794608”]
Bump.
[/quote]Second that shouldn’t drop off page one of forum till resolved, the more people that see this news the better
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Whats all this about? :o
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[quote name=“Joe90” post=“55392” timestamp=“1390797050”]
Whats all this about? :o
[/quote]Go back to page one and read the thread…
or tl:dr
A series of unfortunate events that will be sorted out as quick as it arose.
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[quote name=“mhamilton79” post=“55378” timestamp=“1390794746”]
[quote author=Calem link=topic=7176.msg55376#msg55376 date=1390794608]
Bump.
[/quote]Second that shouldn’t drop off page one of forum till resolved, the more people that see this news the better
[/quote]right
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I have more news:
I’ve been working with Shane.
First of all, he’s realized that this is serious and if he doesn’t take immediate action, things are likely going to go very poorly for him.
We’re negotiating a schedule for refunds. I promised dates, so here they are:
If by end of day 1/28/2014, we have not worked out a full schedule for payments to be made, I will go ahead with helping getting legal action to proceed against him.
By that time, I expect to have an offer to present to you. You can take it or leave it. If you accept it, you’ll be added to the pool of refunds, and you’ll be asked to sign an agreement saying you won’t persue legal action as long as the repayment schedule is maintained. If you don’t, you can proceed with legal action on your own, and worry about how to get the money back yourself.
Of course if he renegs, then you can just go ahead and sue anyway since he’ll be in breach of contract.
I strongly suggest you consider accepting the offer, whatever it ends up being, as it’s absolutely your best option for getting all your money back. More from me on this soon.
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Kevlar, I appreciate your time and effort on this tremendously. Don’t hesitate to remind me to direct a donation into your wallet.
But I’ve had it. I, for one, am all for a reasonable solution, have been from the beginning, and I’ve been one of the most patient and understanding people I think, but really, the dude has even blown it with me. Very few people on this planet have that questionable honor, but he’s one of them. Getting what’s ours through court is worth a shot, I’d say. Much, much more certain then trying to get a refund without a legal pack of wolves closing in on him.
But we’ll see. I don’t believe anything of it though, from his part of course.
You know the stupidest thing?! I still think if he just went ahead with the original plan he could have actually earned admiration and some honest cash. Not right away, but he wouldn’t have to take a loss either. Enough people were willing to help out. All that was needed was honesty and commitment. Damn shame it failed this miserably.
