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    • MrWyrm
      MrWyrm administrators last edited by

      I’m actually in favour of doing something drastic. At the moment, we are not helping the people we are here to represent. The community. In order to help the community get the tech they deserve to actually help them we need programmers. To get programmers excited we need a programming movement, and for that we need a lone nut and loads of contribution. We need to be more inclusive to get more contribution.

      Investors, Miners and prices should come secondary to the goal. The goal being to experiment with the technology and help make the world better for everyone.

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      • MrWyrm
        MrWyrm administrators last edited by

        And to the staff, please keep the community up to date with what’s happening and what’s planned for the future.

        That’s totally fair. Using the topless dancing guy analogy again, the dancing should be done in public.

        There seem to be a way of keeping the blockchain safe without having to feed the miners and bleed the coin owners dry, let’s go for it!

        Yes, it’s a problem, at the moment with all blockchains it’s give out tokens or blockchain death. It’s like buying friends for your party, only when the music stops, the ‘friends’ leave.

        The incentive is a big part of the model, but we have some smart minds here, maybe there is a better solution?

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        • kris_davison
          kris_davison last edited by

          Using the topless dancing guy analogy again, the dancing should be done in public.

          Does it have to be a topless dancing guy? Lol
          I’m all for equality.

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          • MrWyrm
            MrWyrm administrators last edited by

            Does it have to be a topless dancing guy? Lol
            I’m all for equality.

            Haha. No, in the spirit of being inclusive, everyone is welcome to join in the topless dancing. ;)

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            • kelsey
              kelsey last edited by

              listen guys you guys got to this point (excuse the term ) but by circle jerking, all going wow xyz change and its too the moon, yet outside this small community the market is ditching you, and its because of the dramtic changes, STOP IT NOW,

              i’m a trader, months ago i wouldn’t have touched this, now i’ve been buying up (purely because well tis so low its bargain territory even if it bounces back a fraction) but if it continues I know myself i’d have to dump as you guys are turning into a lost cause, and the only people you ever convince is who you’ve already converted (and even most of them are losing faith).

              you don’t need any changes in feathcoin itself, you guys are the ones that need changing.

              i asked a while back what’s ftc’s reason for existence, and seriously no one could give me a clear answer. so why would i or anyone else invest?

              Would you like me to help you with the answer?

              Ok I can list 101 problems with ftc (instamine percieved or otherwise, original dev copy paste ltc and couldn’t program to save himself, also now runs around as a dev in a few other shitcoin.)…anyway the list goes on

              But what are the positives;

              established coin thats been around longer then most current alts, was even at onetime a top coin ie some (not I mind you) consider it BTC, LTC then FTC…wll for a very short period there. the whole pub accepting it videos, oxford stuff…thats actually really good, seriously good…

              now you guys? sell me ftc

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                mirrax last edited by

                I will not reply to this thread but test new multisig menu Lizhi just added to wallet.

                In fact you all should look at amazing progress Lizhi did with Core so far.

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                • zerodrama
                  zerodrama Regular Member last edited by

                  listen guys you guys got to this point (excuse the term ) but by circle jerking, all going wow xyz change and its too the moon, yet outside this small community the market is ditching you, and its because of the dramtic changes, STOP IT NOW,

                  i’m a trader, months ago i wouldn’t have touched this, now i’ve been buying up (purely because well tis so low its bargain territory even if it bounces back a fraction) but if it continues I know myself i’d have to dump as you guys are turning into a lost cause, and the only people you ever convince is who you’ve already converted (and even most of them are losing faith).

                  you don’t need any changes in feathcoin itself, you guys are the ones that need changing.

                  i asked a while back what’s ftc’s reason for existence, and seriously no one could give me a clear answer. so why would i or anyone else invest?

                  Would you like me to help you with the answer?

                  Ok I can list 101 problems with ftc (instamine percieved or otherwise, original dev copy paste ltc and couldn’t program to save himself, also now runs around as a dev in a few other shitcoin.)…anyway the list goes on

                  But what are the positives;

                  established coin thats been around longer then most current alts, was even at onetime a top coin ie some (not I mind you) consider it BTC, LTC then FTC…wll for a very short period there. the whole pub accepting it videos, oxford stuff…thats actually really good, seriously good…

                  now you guys? sell me ftc

                  There is a structural problem. All the mining hardware is worthless because they keep pushing this stupid arms race.

                  So yes, core needs to change.

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                    T4rQu1N Regular Member last edited by

                    Kelsey is talking about a shared purpose… why does FTC exist? Give the man a real world strategic goal! It follows Simon Sinek’s golden circle; why do we do what we do, how are we going to do it, and what will it look like when it is done.

                    If you can come to a common conclusion on those questions; a shared purpose for existing that people can get passionate about, then we have a force to be reckoned with…otherwise its just farting around in the wind with tech features nobody wants or knows they need…

                    I believe in a decentralised currency detached from mainstream banking which allows anyone, no matter their geographic location, the power to control their own finances. We will do this with Feathercoin, a cryptocurrency which is immune to centralised minting (ASIC resistant) thus ensuring accessibility to the masses. Insert awesome tech features I don’t understand like multisig etc. here.

                    Your turn!

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                    • zerodrama
                      zerodrama Regular Member last edited by

                      I’m just saying the standard approach is broken.

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                      • kris_davison
                        kris_davison last edited by

                        +1 T4rQu1N

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                        • MrWyrm
                          MrWyrm administrators last edited by

                          There is still the issue of blockchain security. Even without bells and whistles. Most of the proposals for ‘features’ are to fix that problem. Features and adoption are useless if our blockchain isn’t secure.

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                          • kelsey
                            kelsey last edited by

                            T4rQu1N good to see someone gets it !

                            to others whats the sudden pressing need on blockchain security? whats the issue with it atm?

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                            • zerodrama
                              zerodrama Regular Member last edited by

                              T4rQu1N good to see someone gets it !

                              to others whats the sudden pressing need on blockchain security? whats the issue with it atm?

                              I’ll summarize ten pages worth:

                              Security:

                              Mining is centralized to few a people, who only mine these coins to sell them immediately.

                              Most people cannot bring the amount of wattage that it takes to produce a trickle of coins.

                              That means the users of the coins are at the mercy of people who don’t care about them.

                              Mining is spread across coins but if they ever worked together, they could wreck any coin.

                              Price:

                              Because people only buy and sell coin, prices drop fast and mining hardware is worthless.

                              This means no one can count on coins so they could do business or store value very long.

                              This means innovators have few incentives to use a coin, so the community disintegrates.

                              Then those communities with stable prices resist new ideas and only want to buy and sell.

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                              • kelsey
                                kelsey last edited by

                                you’re talking in general though, nothing specific to any immediate threat to ftc?

                                and miners in ftc arent mining to dump atm as very little is offered on the markets atm.

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                                • zerodrama
                                  zerodrama Regular Member last edited by

                                  I’m talking in general, because it’s a general threat.

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                                  • kelsey
                                    kelsey last edited by

                                    so then back to I don’t get the sudden urgency.

                                    also wasn’t the change of algo for the purpose of spreading the hash (ie via avoiding asics)?

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                                    • zerodrama
                                      zerodrama Regular Member last edited by

                                      The Bitcoin model was intended for small groups. Not a world currency. It’s fundamentally broken, beyond the ASICs.

                                      It’s necessary to fix that.

                                      Also… It’s time people started posting their interests again.

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                                      • kelsey
                                        kelsey last edited by

                                        The Bitcoin model was intended for small groups. Not a world currency. It’s fundamentally broken, beyond the ASICs.

                                        It’s necessary to fix that.

                                        Also… It’s time people started posting their interests again.

                                        I’m not saying you’re wrong (i’ve always said the only thing good to come out of bitcoin and all cryptocurrencies to date is the idea), however I think this is all beyond the scope of what should be looked at currently with feathercoin, you guys can barely sell it too even the core community of feathercoin, let alone rest of crypto community let alone the world as a currency.

                                        baby steps.

                                        don’t repeat past errors, as the old saying goes “looked where you tripped not where you fell”

                                        I’ve not seen a cryptocurrency yet that could be used by joe pubics as a world currency, they all fail KISS.

                                        In the crypto community innovation seems to be the biggest pump sell point, yet in reality as currencies go TRUST is the most important factor.

                                        If feathercoin is to even get close to past glory (and I sure many here want it above that) then PR is whats needed bigtime, not constant core changes in fact they need to be avoided at all cost for now.

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                                        • zerodrama
                                          zerodrama Regular Member last edited by

                                          PR is stale. No one wants PR. Newcoin, who cares about it? Every coin does the same thing poorly.

                                          Core changes are necessary because coins are smashed easily by people who only care about fiat.

                                          You can’t do PR for any community that will last at most a month after people run to the exchanges.

                                          What we need, aside from core changes, is a forum interface so people see what we’re doing here.

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                                          • kelsey
                                            kelsey last edited by

                                            Anymore core changes will dig you guys a bigger hole.

                                            Stale PR campaigns will get you stale results.

                                            You don’t need some big flashing or tacking campaign, thats not what I am suggesting, its equally what I think should be avoided. You need those faithful to ftc to express that, word of mouth grass roots approach and to build on that.

                                            You need members to go out and push its use in places.

                                            I think we’d both agree also you need to livin up this community also, need all those who believe in ftc to become more active?

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